Talk:Accelerated BS/MSMIS program
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From Alan Hefner at CGPS
Other comments from Alan:
Other random thoughts, some which can be worked out later, but remember where the devil resides:
- A good start for our “3-2 fast track programs”
- I think if carefully done, a five-year MSMIS program and, of course, a five-year MBA program, should be accessible to just about ANY major on the other campus.
- Since our median age of MBA students, and most other students at CGPS is about 36 years, admitting 21-23 year olds to our graduate programs ‘may’ significantly alter the character of the programs, and the nature of the class interactions. Butts in seats are good, but we want them to sit comfortably.
- What various approvals will be needed and from whom?
- What ‘exit ramps’ are available for those who start down this highway and decide not to do it, or who cannot do it?
- It needs to be made clear that summer coursework is required in order to complete the last year
- There has to be a commitment from both institutions to offer what courses are needed—despite enrollment numbers--so a student can indeed complete in five years.
- Again, a good start. I think we do need a fairly uniform model/policy that could apply to numerous five-year programs as we develop more and more programs.
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Questions from Stephen
It seems mostly good to me, although I'm confused by the dual credits a bit...my understanding is that they represent coursework which "counts" towards completion of their bachelors degree and also simultaneously "counts" towards their masters degree. I further understand that at most 6 of these credits can be MWC 400-level courses and the other 6 must be CGPS 500-level courses. Do I have this right so far? If so, then my remaining question is: what do the first two sentences of the last paragraph (above) mean? They seem like a self-referential contradiction, so I must be missing the point... --Stephen 12:03, 28 September 2006 (EDT)
There is a difference between the core (24 credits of required courses) and the electives (12 credits) that are chosen from a group that, if all goes well, will include 400-level courses offered by the Department of Computer Science (us) and 6 credits at the 500 offered by CTEC at CGPS. (Pardon the use of acronyms.)BTW, this doesn't mean that the 400 and 500-level courses must be offered by faculty associated with our department or CTEC. For example, someone from our department may offer one of the 500-level courses, if CTEC agrees. --Ernie 07:49, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
Alternate from Marsha
---Here are the suggestions that I made to Gail's draft. Marsha I realize that Gail was trying for a "generic" approach but I think that from our point of view this should be a Five Year Combined BS Computer Science/MSMIS Degree. At the present time our "alternate IS track" will be covered under our BS Computer Science major. When and if this changes then we may need to rename the program (Combined BS Computer Science/MS… or Combined BA Information Systems/MS…) I suggest multiple descriptions, one per program
Five Year BS in Computer Science/MSMIS Program
Application Requirements
- A minimum of 75 credits toward their undergraduate degree program (currently enrolled + completed).
- A minimum of 21 credits toward concentration or computer science major (currently enrolled + completed).
- A minimum 3.0 overall GPA.
- A minimum 3.25 GPA in major or concentration
- A completed MSMIS application
- 2 faculty recommendation letters (can be from a faculty member, Department Chair or Advisor)
It is recommended Students may apply after they have completed 60 undergraduate credits.
Program Requirements
Students accepted into the five year program must meet all MSMIS degree requirements, including foundation course requirements in order to graduate. The foundation course requirements may be met from designated undergraduate courses or their equivalent.
Foundation Courses
CPSC 321—Advanced Data Structures CPSC 390—Software Engineering
MATH 200—Introduction to Statistics or CPSC 320—Statistics for Computer Scientists or PSYC 261 – Statistics and Research Methods
PSYC 385 – Industrial-Organizational Psychology or Business Administration 345 or SOCI 342 – Sociology of Work: Occupations and Professions or LRSP 301 – Leadership and Organizational Behavior
Courses intended to meet foundation requirements must be approved by the five year degree faculty advisor and students must earn a grade of ‘B’ or higher in each of the courses.
A maximum of 12 credits may be applied toward undergraduate and graduate degree requirements. These 12 credits are referred to as dual credits. Six dual credits would be CPSC 401—Organization of Programming Languages and CPSC 405—Operating Systems OR CPSC 414 Network Principles and Application and NEED ANOTHER 400-LEVEL REQUIRED COURSE HERE FOR IS TRACK with the remaining dual credits taken from approved CPSC 400-level/MSMIS 500-level elective graduate courses.(???what type of approval will this require??? Dean, Curriculum/Academic Council/BOV/SCHEV??)
Students must meet with their assigned five year degree faculty advisor after acceptance into the program and before the beginning of the following semester to fill out the five year program plan outlining the 12 dual credits to be taken already completed or planned during their remaining undergraduate degree completion work and the courses planned or already taken to meet the MSMIS foundation requirements. Each program plan must be signed and dated by the student, their five year degree advisor and their undergraduate degree advisor.
The approved 12 dual credits will fulfill the MSMIS requirements. Therefore, no MSMIS core course can be used as dual credit. A grade of B or better must be received in each dual course in order to have the credits apply toward the five year program.
reply to Marsha's proposal
I don't think we should be so specific regarding the foundation or courses for the electives. We will tie ourselves down to specific courses. Being more flexible at this stage is beneficial to us, we can be changing our curriculum without having to deal with changes to this agreement.--Ernie 07:58, 30 September 2006 (EDT)
reply to Ernie's comment
I included a list of courses because the requirements for an MSMIS degree lists specific courses in the Foundation Course, Core Course, and Electives categories. These are not courses offered an CAS-MWC and so I was trying to state a list of possible courses that appeared to correspond to the current MSMIS requirements and were already available and/or required in our major. Marsha
Again about specifying courses
I think if we specify all the courses then we are defining a program. I'd rather make the recommendations during advising and then we don't ahve to go through all the hoops of defining a program, but rather an agreement between MWC and CGPS. This wil be quicker to set up.
